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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:34 am    Post subject: Paddy Kenny Reply with quote

I am curious as to how other people see Mr Kenny.

As a keeper myself, who played to a decent standard, I see many, many flaws in him.

He is a headline keeper, one that makes a name for himself for being a shot stopper, which is fine, but it is papering over the cracks in his all-round game.

His positioning at times is not up to scratch. He is unable or unwilling (or both) to come out of his goal to effect anything threatening outside the six-yard box. In fact, on too many occasions to count, he is bolt static on his line as balls are flying across his goal line.

I would be interested to hear those who spend more time than me in close proximity to him during games, but from what I have seen, his bossing of his area is ineffectual. He is too quiet, and anything he does shout is not particularly helpful.

He has some fundamental flaws that, at his age, do not look likely to be trained out of him. He has also developed a new trick, which is something that keepers playing above their pay grade have a tendency to do - the stand up and watch the ball syndrome.

Count the amount of goals where Kenny is left standing static in his goal this season. Every one of them has been too good for him. Now watch how many other keepers stand and stare at a ball as it flies past them. They dive because they believe they have the ability to effect the ball. Kenny doesn't.

He makes defenders nervous, they are unsure about where he is or will be (one defender I played with who went on to better things once told me he can defend 20% better if he knows that his goalkeeper is going to be taking care of anything between goal and the penalty spot) and there is a hesitancy when the ball rebounds to them in the six-yard box because Kenny is too slow in coming to claim it (which they expect).

Cerny has never been a dominant keeper, but his assuredness between the sticks is in marked contrast to Kenny.

My only hope is that Eddie Niedzwiecki would have already spotted this. Will watch the keeper situation in the close season with interest...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Paddy Kenny Reply with quote

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He makes defenders nervous, they are unsure about where he is or will be (one defender I played with who went on to better things once told me he can defend 20% better if he knows that his goalkeeper is going to be taking care of anything between goal and the penalty spot) and there is a hesitancy when the ball rebounds to them in the six-yard box because Kenny is too slow in coming to claim it (which they expect).


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Only 20%? I've heard that a defenders performance can improve by 27.5% with a really top class goalkeeper between the sticks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with nearly all of that, the only thing I would say is that some keepers do dive when they know they won't make a save, to make it look better than just watching the ball as it flies in.
I think Paddy is a good shot-stopper, but essentially a Championship level keeper. Cerny will have some good games but I don't think he's any better really.
Need a new keeper next year IMHO, whatever Division we're in.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hoping we were going to get Ben Foster in the Jan break. I feel that Paddy is a great shot stopper but needs to organise the defence more.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ripping apart the group that won the Championship has proved a hugely successful strategy so far, so why stop now ?

Cheers, Paddy - I always knew you were shit.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit pointless Ux, or are some players untouchable?

Not sure why, but I was thinking the same thing this weekend after watching MOTD 1 & 2. There's no doubt Paddy's a good keeper, but Hennessy and Foster yesterday did make me think yesterday.

As for Joe Hart, well that's different again.

It's tricky as he has been excellent for us last season, but I have been wondering whether one reason that whoever comes into the defence it still looks shaky may be more to do with not getting more instruction from PK behind them?

Not scapegoating, but it did occur to me too. Particularly slow in reacting to Yakubu's goal, didn't look that quick to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was hoping we were going to get Ben Foster in the Jan break. I feel that Paddy is a great shot stopper but needs to organise the defence more.

If he knew who the defence was going to be would be a start.
And once he knows who they are perhaps they could try to stick to their given tasks.
Someone said SWP reminded him of crop circles ? He's not alone.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bit pointless Ux, or are some players untouchable?
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I'm not suggesting anyone's untouchable W12, although on this board at least one player certainly is.

It does seem to me though that it's become the received wisdom to write off last year's squad as "Championship players", while any new player that comes in is assumed to be Premiership class and must be given time to settle in. Norwich and Swansea have proved that you can cut it in this league with so called Championship players if you have a team, rather than just a collection of individuals.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bit pointless Ux, or are some players untouchable?
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I'm not suggesting anyone's untouchable W12, although on this board at least one player certainly is.

It does seem to me though that it's become the received wisdom to write off last year's squad as "Championship players", while any new player that comes in is assumed to be Premiership class and must be given time to settle in. Norwich and Swansea have proved that you can cut it in this league with so called Championship players if you have a team, rather than just a collection of individuals.


Nope, anyone who listened to me last season would have heard me say the same thing about Kenny. Didn't think he was good enough for us last season, thought we could have done better with someone else between the sticks, feel no different this season.

I have just brought it up because I might not be on my own in my opinion at this stage...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, anyone who listened to me last season would have heard me say the same thing about Kenny. Didn't think he was good enough for us last season, thought we could have done better with someone else between the sticks, feel no different this season.

I have just brought it up because I might not be on my own in my opinion at this stage...


Yeah you're right I often wonder how much better we'd have done last season without Kenny. I can't help but think that his 24 clean sheets and player of the year award were tarnished by his poor positioning for the goals he conceded and his failure to shout loudly at his defence.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, anyone who listened to me last season would have heard me say the same thing about Kenny. Didn't think he was good enough for us last season, thought we could have done better with someone else between the sticks, feel no different this season.

I have just brought it up because I might not be on my own in my opinion at this stage...


Yeah you're right I often wonder how much better we'd have done last season without Kenny. I can't help but think that his 24 clean sheets and player of the year award were tarnished by his poor positioning for the goals he conceded and his failure to shout loudly at his defence.


That's the problem with people's opinions on goalkeepers - most people don't have a clue what they are talking about. Just ask Arsene Wenger...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenny was phenominal last season and deserved the award. This season, despite starting well and having a couple of good performances he has gotten worse and looks slightly out of his depth. He does not install the same confidence in me that I had in him last year but I'd like to keep him around as we will need him in the Championship next season
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a reason we are in the bottom five and Swansea and Norwich are ok. We went up (comfortably) with Adel running the show and in the Championship he ruled supreme. Our back 4/5 were rock solid and Ali and Shaun sat in front of them to give them amazing protection. The problem is that the pace of the Prem means we are exposed and Derry can't run the midfield in the way he did last year. Paddy made great saves (his forte) and didn't need to manage the defence as much.

There are a host of other reasons why we are struggling but ironically we were the best team in Cship last year and the least equipped to cope in the Prem. Some of us said this at the start of the season and were laughed at.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, anyone who listened to me last season would have heard me say the same thing about Kenny. Didn't think he was good enough for us last season, thought we could have done better with someone else between the sticks, feel no different this season.

I have just brought it up because I might not be on my own in my opinion at this stage...


You didn't think the keeper that played 44 games and kept 25 clean sheets in a Championship winning team was good enough for us ?
Given he was the supporters' POTY and the players' POTY, I think you may have been out on a limb on that one. Saying we could have done better with someone else seems rather meaningless, as it could apply to any player.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, anyone who listened to me last season would have heard me say the same thing about Kenny. Didn't think he was good enough for us last season, thought we could have done better with someone else between the sticks, feel no different this season.

I have just brought it up because I might not be on my own in my opinion at this stage...


Yeah you're right I often wonder how much better we'd have done last season without Kenny. I can't help but think that his 24 clean sheets and player of the year award were tarnished by his poor positioning for the goals he conceded and his failure to shout loudly at his defence.


That's the problem with people's opinions on goalkeepers - most people don't have a clue what they are talking about. Just ask Arsene Wenger...


If you continue to insist that Kenny wasn't good enough last season you will only serve to make yourself look even more foolish.

For what it’s worth I agree that his form generally hasn’t been good enough this season. The same can be said for the whole team, perhaps Faurlin aside.
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