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Hunter S Thompson
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The Barclay's fraud is clearly the fault of the previous Labour government 
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Kier Hardie has a lot to answer for.
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| Well I'd argue that it is. I'd also contend that it wasn't a 'labour' government. |
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Thatcher and Reagan are to blame and Mildew Friedman. Anyone else is peripheral.
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Agreed. All of this is Thatcher's true legacy.
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You all fell for it again.
That Paladini is SOOOO cunning. If course it's really all his fault!
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Agree with pretty much all of that. But the absolute culture of 'self', particularly in terms of aggregating personal wealth at the expense of others is Thatcher. Subsequent 'Labour' politicians in power turned out to be incapable of changing that direction, in many cases because they bought it as a concept.
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I didn't get the 'absolute self' ethos growing up during the Thatcher years, I bought into the concept that if you want to make something of yourself get up and do it and don't rely on the Govt to provide you with a lifestyle. I think the 'absolute self' may be more Gordon Gecko, who was the stereotype of that era.
I could also say that the last Labour Govt seemed to encourage the ethos that you didn't have to push yourself because if you couldn't make it, it was because you have been disadvantaged, and the State would keep you well fed and watered.
Of course both arguments are extreme and the goal is something in between. Where business people have the environment to act in an ethical manner and hopefully create jobs for Joe Bloggs. Also, an environment where the genuine needy are well looked after and those who should be able to make a living for themselves have a financial reason to leave personal State funding.
I'm not sure we'll ever get rid of corruption and greed and wonder how many millionaires/billionaires have made it by playing by the rules - not many I suspect - but better that that living in a Communist regime I would say. |
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Tony Robinson asks if bankers are human: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18642323
Funny how it takes a comedy actor to give a clear, simple and, in my book, truthful perspective on this sorry affair.
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| SheepRanger wrote: | I didn't get the 'absolute self' ethos growing up during the Thatcher years, I bought into the concept that if you want to make something of yourself get up and do it and don't rely on the Govt to provide you with a lifestyle. I think the 'absolute self' may be more Gordon Gecko, who was the stereotype of that era.
I could also say that the last Labour Govt seemed to encourage the ethos that you didn't have to push yourself because if you couldn't make it, it was because you have been disadvantaged, and the State would keep you well fed and watered.
Of course both arguments are extreme and the goal is something in between. Where business people have the environment to act in an ethical manner and hopefully create jobs for Joe Bloggs. Also, an environment where the genuine needy are well looked after and those who should be able to make a living for themselves have a financial reason to leave personal State funding.
I'm not sure we'll ever get rid of corruption and greed and wonder how many millionaires/billionaires have made it by playing by the rules - not many I suspect - but better that that living in a Communist regime I would say. |
Who exactly is Joe Bloggs? Not you obviously.
The greedy always refer to "Communist Regimes" as if Stalin had anything to do with communism. What about anti communist dictators like Franco and Mussolini. You don't quote them as good examples of capitalism do you ?
And all this crap about millionaires not playing it by the book. Are we suppose to accept this ? The greedy would love that wouldn't they ?
Human nature aint it ? to cheat on your tax, to grab more whilst some else has less. Well I'm human and it isn't my nature.
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| Hunter S Thompson wrote: | | SheepRanger wrote: | I didn't get the 'absolute self' ethos growing up during the Thatcher years, I bought into the concept that if you want to make something of yourself get up and do it and don't rely on the Govt to provide you with a lifestyle. I think the 'absolute self' may be more Gordon Gecko, who was the stereotype of that era.
I could also say that the last Labour Govt seemed to encourage the ethos that you didn't have to push yourself because if you couldn't make it, it was because you have been disadvantaged, and the State would keep you well fed and watered.
Of course both arguments are extreme and the goal is something in between. Where business people have the environment to act in an ethical manner and hopefully create jobs for Joe Bloggs. Also, an environment where the genuine needy are well looked after and those who should be able to make a living for themselves have a financial reason to leave personal State funding.
I'm not sure we'll ever get rid of corruption and greed and wonder how many millionaires/billionaires have made it by playing by the rules - not many I suspect - but better that that living in a Communist regime I would say. |
Who exactly is Joe Bloggs? Not you obviously.
The greedy always refer to "Communist Regimes" as if Stalin had anything to do with communism. What about anti communist dictators like Franco and Mussolini. You don't quote them as good examples of capitalism do you ?
And all this crap about millionaires not playing it by the book. Are we suppose to accept this ? The greedy would love that wouldn't they ?
Human nature aint it ? to cheat on your tax, to grab more whilst some else has less. Well I'm human and it isn't my nature. |
Excellent riposte sir.
Doubt it'll shut the greedy gits up though.
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| Hunter S Thompson wrote: | | SheepRanger wrote: | I didn't get the 'absolute self' ethos growing up during the Thatcher years, I bought into the concept that if you want to make something of yourself get up and do it and don't rely on the Govt to provide you with a lifestyle. I think the 'absolute self' may be more Gordon Gecko, who was the stereotype of that era.
I could also say that the last Labour Govt seemed to encourage the ethos that you didn't have to push yourself because if you couldn't make it, it was because you have been disadvantaged, and the State would keep you well fed and watered.
Of course both arguments are extreme and the goal is something in between. Where business people have the environment to act in an ethical manner and hopefully create jobs for Joe Bloggs. Also, an environment where the genuine needy are well looked after and those who should be able to make a living for themselves have a financial reason to leave personal State funding.
I'm not sure we'll ever get rid of corruption and greed and wonder how many millionaires/billionaires have made it by playing by the rules - not many I suspect - but better that that living in a Communist regime I would say. |
Who exactly is Joe Bloggs? Not you obviously.
The greedy always refer to "Communist Regimes" as if Stalin had anything to do with communism. What about anti communist dictators like Franco and Mussolini. You don't quote them as good examples of capitalism do you ?
And all this crap about millionaires not playing it by the book. Are we suppose to accept this ? The greedy would love that wouldn't they ?
Human nature aint it ? to cheat on your tax, to grab more whilst some else has less. Well I'm human and it isn't my nature. |
Top stuff Hunter I'm back and as miserable and angry as I ever was  |
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| Damien wrote: | | Hunter S Thompson wrote: | | SheepRanger wrote: | I didn't get the 'absolute self' ethos growing up during the Thatcher years, I bought into the concept that if you want to make something of yourself get up and do it and don't rely on the Govt to provide you with a lifestyle. I think the 'absolute self' may be more Gordon Gecko, who was the stereotype of that era.
I could also say that the last Labour Govt seemed to encourage the ethos that you didn't have to push yourself because if you couldn't make it, it was because you have been disadvantaged, and the State would keep you well fed and watered.
Of course both arguments are extreme and the goal is something in between. Where business people have the environment to act in an ethical manner and hopefully create jobs for Joe Bloggs. Also, an environment where the genuine needy are well looked after and those who should be able to make a living for themselves have a financial reason to leave personal State funding.
I'm not sure we'll ever get rid of corruption and greed and wonder how many millionaires/billionaires have made it by playing by the rules - not many I suspect - but better that that living in a Communist regime I would say. |
Who exactly is Joe Bloggs? Not you obviously.
The greedy always refer to "Communist Regimes" as if Stalin had anything to do with communism. What about anti communist dictators like Franco and Mussolini. You don't quote them as good examples of capitalism do you ?
And all this crap about millionaires not playing it by the book. Are we suppose to accept this ? The greedy would love that wouldn't they ?
Human nature aint it ? to cheat on your tax, to grab more whilst some else has less. Well I'm human and it isn't my nature. |
Top stuff Hunter I'm back and as miserable and angry as I ever was |
Life really is too short, Damien, so why not try being happy and calm.
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