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misterprash
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 Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Strikers over the age of 30 |
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| LeJuge wrote: | | DAVEf wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | I was curious as to the feelings of our board members, Canaries included ,  as to the wisdom of spending £15.7M on a striker who will be 31 in October. |
There is a huge difference between buying one of the former best players in the world and signing Andy Johnson who had one great season in the Premier League (for a team who still got relegated).
I wonder how many people will get Ibrahimovic on their shirt next year, and how many will get Johnson on their shirt next year?
Do you think I would have laughed at QPR if they had signed Berbatov? Nope. Andy Johnson is a Fulham reject who hasn't been fit for 5 years and isn't half the player that he once was, and even then was merely a quarter of the player that Ibrahimovic was.
I get told that I can't be taken seriously on here, by people who compare Andy Johnson with Ibrahimovic without a hint of irony.
*FACE PALM*
You are talking about a former Ajax, Juventus, Inter Milan, Barcelona, and AC Milan player who one less league goals LAST SEASON than Andy Johnson has in SIX YEARS.
* FACE BACK TO PALM *
In other news, Norwich sign Jacob Butterfield after realizing that he is younger than Cristiano Ronaldo, see what I did there?
Andy Johnson isn't even fit to clean Grant Holt's boots, yet alone Ibrahimovic's. |
This is really about jealousy over the plane isn't it? |
Essex made a clear reference to my slating of your signings of Johnson and Nelson, in a thread about Ibrahimovic, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
You will note that I complimented your signings of Park and Green. Either a player is past it or he isn't. Park isn't, Johnson is, Holt isn't, Green isn't, Nelson is. |
So even a whole county are aware of your jealousy!
In all fairness I do agree with you about AJ and think we'd have been better off with santa Cruz who played his best football under Hughes.
Personally I hope AJ proves all the doubters (including myself) wrong and bangs in a few goals for us. Having said that, I honestly don't see him getting too much playing time.
Over the moon about Hoilett though, just waiting for offish and then we can start thinking about a higher finish rather than spoiling for a relegation battle! |
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PaulReilly1973
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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all the bus drivers, train drivers and people who check ur passports isnt it??
oh.. when u said strikers u meant..... 
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Strikers over the age of 30 |
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| misterprash wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | DAVEf wrote: | | LeJuge wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | I was curious as to the feelings of our board members, Canaries included , as to the wisdom of spending £15.7M on a striker who will be 31 in October. |
There is a huge difference between buying one of the former best players in the world and signing Andy Johnson who had one great season in the Premier League (for a team who still got relegated).
I wonder how many people will get Ibrahimovic on their shirt next year, and how many will get Johnson on their shirt next year?
Do you think I would have laughed at QPR if they had signed Berbatov? Nope. Andy Johnson is a Fulham reject who hasn't been fit for 5 years and isn't half the player that he once was, and even then was merely a quarter of the player that Ibrahimovic was.
I get told that I can't be taken seriously on here, by people who compare Andy Johnson with Ibrahimovic without a hint of irony.
*FACE PALM*
You are talking about a former Ajax, Juventus, Inter Milan, Barcelona, and AC Milan player who one less league goals LAST SEASON than Andy Johnson has in SIX YEARS.
* FACE BACK TO PALM *
In other news, Norwich sign Jacob Butterfield after realizing that he is younger than Cristiano Ronaldo, see what I did there?
Andy Johnson isn't even fit to clean Grant Holt's boots, yet alone Ibrahimovic's. |
This is really about jealousy over the plane isn't it? |
Essex made a clear reference to my slating of your signings of Johnson and Nelson, in a thread about Ibrahimovic, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
You will note that I complimented your signings of Park and Green. Either a player is past it or he isn't. Park isn't, Johnson is, Holt isn't, Green isn't, Nelson is. |
So even a whole county are aware of your jealousy!
In all fairness I do agree with you about AJ and think we'd have been better off with santa Cruz who played his best football under Hughes.
Personally I hope AJ proves all the doubters (including myself) wrong and bangs in a few goals for us. Having said that, I honestly don't see him getting too much playing time.
Over the moon about Hoilett though, just waiting for offish and then we can start thinking about a higher finish rather than spoiling for a relegation battle! |
He will be an awesome signing, no doubt about that. Somebody mentioned him on our board, but he wants £50k a week which is most definitely out of our reach.
Well, sure we could sign one or two flagship signings for that sort of money, but it would really risk unsettling the squad.
You haven't got that problem, clearly, because there are plenty of players on that sort of money at Loftus Road.
N'Zonzi is another good player, wonder where he will go?
Johnson would perhaps come in handy if you happen to get some friendly cup draws and go on a run, but other than that, can't see where or why you would use him if your strikers stay fit.....
.... Probably worth me putting a fiver on Johnson scoring against Norwich though, I'd say that there is a good chance that he goes and scores 1 goal in 20 appearances for you, and that it happens to be against us.
He was always scoring against us in his early to mid twenties, usually from the penalty spot, usually after a Johnson dive.
So if anybody likes a flutter and wants a tip, then Johnson scoring against Carrow Road from the spot would be a good one.
The likes of Hoilett are the people that you need to be signing for the long term future, and good on ya for it.
Can't argue with most of your signings, a clear upward curve in terms of quality..... still can't see the point in Johnson and Nelson though.
Watching anxiously at Hughton and Norwich signings now..... I'm hoping this Snodgrass deal goes through, always rated him, priced out of him a year ago.
I'd like to see Curtis Davies too, looks like we will have to pay good money for him though.
Disappointed not to have been in the mix for Clyne. I think Gunter is over-rated....
.... Running out of players in the Championship to steal, think we will end up with a couple of overseas signings, got to the point where there isn't much in the lower leagues that will improve our squad now. |
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Esox Lucius
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Fair comments. Still no comment on Cissé?
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Devonranger
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Not sure many fans view Nelsen or Johnson as automatic first choices for the team but that is for Mark Hughes to decide - in terms of players released, I would say that Nelsen and Johnson improve on quality and premier league experience in comparison to those released.
Cisse is a definite improvement and Zamora gives us another option - still more to come from BZ.
If Hoilett signs then we will have some real quality in the midfield and front six. |
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LeJuge
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | Fair comments. Still no comment on Cissé? |
Djibril Cisse or have you signed some other Cisse?
I was commenting on transfers in this window, rather than signings last January, is obvious that Cisse is your best striker....
.... Surprised that there is talk of Mackie leaving though, fans on our board were actually touting him as a decent signing for £3.5m, unless that was just paper talk?
Think he'd fit in well at Carrow Road, certainly don't think he needs to be dropping down a level after looking decent for you at the end of the season.
Although, we do desperately lack somebody of real pace up front, so Hughton may have somebody up his sleeve from overseas. |
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LeJuge
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| Devonranger wrote: | Not sure many fans view Nelsen or Johnson as automatic first choices for the team but that is for Mark Hughes to decide - in terms of players released, I would say that Nelsen and Johnson improve on quality and premier league experience in comparison to those released.
Cisse is a definite improvement and Zamora gives us another option - still more to come from BZ.
If Hoilett signs then we will have some real quality in the midfield and front six. |
Hey, at least you haven't signed Michael Owen, I'll give you that 
QPR probably need a top class centre back and another top quality striker, that's why I can't see the point in Nelson and Johnson.
I'd probably add a centre mid..... with Barton leaving.
I'd be willing to bet a tenner on Barton being sacked by Christmas..... N'Zonzi would probably be perfect.
If you signed three quality players in those positions, with Barton leaving, I'd give you a chance of finishing in the top 10. |
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DAVEf
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And today's word for the connoisseur (though maybe not for anyone with a speech impediment) is magnanimity.
Later we might discuss "humble" and "gratitude".  |
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magichoop
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Lejuge understand your point with nelsen and johnson but are you telling me you wouldn't fancy them at norwich for back up as opposed to someone who had no prem experience?
These are good squad signings and players that MH knows will put in a shift if needed. Yeah not the most exciting but its little steps forward.
I do agree that we need another CB and probably CM. Top ten is very hopeful I feel but again little steps forward |
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LeJuge
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| magichoop wrote: | Lejuge understand your point with nelsen and johnson but are you telling me you wouldn't fancy them at norwich for back up as opposed to someone who had no prem experience?
These are good squad signings and players that MH knows will put in a shift if needed. Yeah not the most exciting but its little steps forward.
I do agree that we need another CB and probably CM. Top ten is very hopeful I feel but again little steps forward |
I don't believe that Premier League experience is the slightest bit important, and why would I? I support Norwich City, last season our 'most experienced' player in terms of Premier League football was Adam Drury, and he'd only played 30 games..... for us.... in a relegation season.
We got out of League One by signing League Two and League One players, we got out of the Championship by signing League One and League Two players, and we stayed in the Premier League signing League One and Championship players. Now Hughton is sticking to our transfer policy, we have signed a bloke from the SPL and somebody from the Championship, and now we look to be signing Snodgrass from the Championship.
Norwich have pretty much built themselves back up by identifying talent and telling them to prove themselves and make a name for themselves....
I can't see the sense in Norwich signing Johnson or Nelson as 'back up', no. We already have squad players who can be considered back up. I doubt Nelson would be any more useful than Leon Barnett, and I doubt Andy Johnson would be any more useful than Simeon Jackson.
When you sign a player capable of playing regularly in your first team, and if he succeeds in nailing a place in that first XI, another of your players gets demoted to the bench....
.... signing players as back up seems like a backward policy to me, unless you are particularly short on bodies.
I suppose that Wilbraham was signed as back up, because we needed a big man to cover Holt. But then we signed Morrison, so he became third choice 'big man'.
I don't see any point in signing somebody who you know won't play, to be honest, and if you are buying somebody as a squad player you might as well sign a kid.
Andy Johnson was actually touted on the Norwich board, and it was a resounding "NO" from the fans. I should imagine it would have been the same for Nelson, who had a straight choice between reserve team football at QPR or first team football at Carlisle.
But when your top scorer was signed from League Two and followed you up from League One to the Prem, being talked about as an England prospect, when your goalkeeper was signed having been third choice at Everton and having been on loan at Motherwell for a year, and ends up getting called up to the Euro 2012 squad...
..... and when you get a player like Pilkington skipping the Championship completely and being class from day one....
.... You do start to reject that Premier League experience fallacy. Ryan Betrand didn't have any Champions League experience, and hardly any Premier League experience, didn't stop him picking up that winners medal.
Norwich have just got a thing going on, where everybody in that squad has points to prove, they are all in it together, and all remember where they came from.
I think it's difficult to then bring in thirty somethings who perhaps haven't got the same hunger. They might have the ego too..... Some bloke who was a squad player at Colchester a couple of years ago isn't going to care too much for a somebody turning up to training in a Maserati having chosen money over regular football.
Even Naughton had only played a handful of Premier League games last season and is now being talked about as a £6m player.
I don't think people like Andy Johnson and Ryan Nelson would do much for the team spirit thing that we have going on.
Our team has thrived every season on being written off, even in League One after the Colchester game we had Mark Lawrenson on national TV predicting that we would be in League Two within a year.
The bookies have us as third favorites for the drop this year. Good. That's a good thing. I'll be worried when people expect us to do well.
But we finished 12th with NO Premier League experience.
I just love the way that we do things. We signed Johnny Howson for £2m, Joe Allen is being touted as a £15m player.... that's a ridiculous some of money.... but this season Howson will show himself as better than Allen.
He's a future England International right there.
We might not get away with signing an unknown in defence though, we need serious work defensively, at least one if not two top centre backs has to be our priority.
I could talk all day about how good our midfield is, it really is immense, but our defence is f'in dodgy..... so maybe we will have to go with Premier League experience there if there is nothing in the Championship.
Think Birmingham are asking stupid money for Curtis Davies. |
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magichoop
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| A simple yes or no....... |
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LeJuge
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| magichoop wrote: | | A simple yes or no....... |
No. |
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magichoop
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha ha good banter. Fair enough its a game of opinion. |
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Dunc
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| magichoop wrote: | | A simple yes or no....... |
This is my favourite post of the off-season!
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