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dave B
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I'm still baffled as to what proof is required Don? Are we in a court of law or something.
Look at the squad list, look at who signed the players, look at who appointed the managers, I mean does anyone really think Flavio went out and said get me Dowie, Hart and Magilton without advice from his sporting director. That should be proof enough that the bloke did a poor job, thats the main crux of what me and others are saying. I think even SM would agree that Paladini has signed a lot of shit that has left us with a poor squad and wasted millions. He won't admit it publicly but deep down I imagine Paladini knows he's made a ton of errors in the transfer market both before and after flavio arrived.
If the proof needed is about accusations of him getting a cut of transfers I'd agree proof would be required for that to be taken seriously and personally I don't think he's had his hand in the till at Rangers to be honest.
IMO Paladini is a friendly enough bloke and a charming man who I'm sure cares about the club but I'm not sure that the clubs best interests are served by having him in a position of power. |
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Don
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Bartonatollah, I don't need proof, I reckon the bloke's done well for himself at our expense.
Someone rattled Seňor Frodsham's cage by flinging unsubstantiated (we could argue about that until the cows come home. Better still, I'll argue with the cows until you come home) allegations and it's just carried on from there.
I don't think that Margate's adopted son has said that Mr P is a good thing for the club (I'm sure I'll be corrected), just that he's not the sole problem and is not a proven villain.
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| dave B wrote: | I'm still baffled as to what proof is required Don? Are we in a court of law or something.
Look at the squad list, look at who signed the players, look at who appointed the managers, I mean does anyone really think Flavio went out and said get me Dowie, Hart and Magilton without advice from his sporting director. That should be proof enough that the bloke did a poor job, thats the main crux of what me and others are saying. I think even SM would agree that Paladini has signed a lot of shit that has left us with a poor squad and wasted millions. He won't admit it publicly but deep down I imagine Paladini knows he's made a ton of errors in the transfer market both before and after flavio arrived.
If the proof needed is about accusations of him getting a cut of transfers I'd agree proof would be required for that to be taken seriously and personally I don't think he's had his hand in the till at Rangers to be honest.
IMO Paladini is a friendly enough bloke and a charming man who I'm sure cares about the club but I'm not sure that the clubs best interests are served by having him in a position of power. |
Exactly. Plus add the FACT that he was proven to be a liar in a court of law, and decribed as such by a high court judge. A salary of £180k a year (also FACT by reading the Company accounts) for doing what, exactly?
Oh yes, screwing up his role as "Sporting Director". Also (FACT again), how many employees do you know that are given a £140k interest free loan by their employer? And publicly state that they have no intention of paying it back? Behaves quite improperly and is happy to be foulmouthed
in front of women and children at games (away and home). Is this the "Chairman" we want to be representing our Club? Not for me. |
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DAVEf
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| dave B wrote: | I'm still baffled as to what proof is required Don? Are we in a court of law or something.
Look at the squad list, look at who signed the players, look at who appointed the managers, I mean does anyone really think Flavio went out and said get me Dowie, Hart and Magilton without advice from his sporting director. That should be proof enough that the bloke did a poor job, thats the main crux of what me and others are saying. I think even SM would agree that Paladini has signed a lot of shit that has left us with a poor squad and wasted millions. He won't admit it publicly but deep down I imagine Paladini knows he's made a ton of errors in the transfer market both before and after flavio arrived.
If the proof needed is about accusations of him getting a cut of transfers I'd agree proof would be required for that to be taken seriously and personally I don't think he's had his hand in the till at Rangers to be honest.
IMO Paladini is a friendly enough bloke and a charming man who I'm sure cares about the club but I'm not sure that the clubs best interests are served by having him in a position of power. |
Is it so hard to believe that someone like Briatore would do that? Or at the very least lay down what he wanted from a new manager in terms of team performance and the kind of players who should be signed and picked (and what could/should be spent)? On signing, Dowie promised fast, attacking, passing football but almost immediately went "pragmatic" (ugly and long-ball) so Briatore binned him. How tough does that kind of behaviour make it for any "sporting director" even to advise about possible new managers and/or players?
Your last two paragraphs sum things up for me. Paladini has made mistakes but so have a long line of owners, chairmen, managers and players going back to 1996. All that can be done (by us or any club) is to keep going until the right people are eventually in place to get things right and I say Paladini played a big part in keeping the club going and laying the foundations for future hope (though obviously some disagree).
Your penultimate paragraph covers the other point. Recurring accusations of dishonest and criminal activity without actual proof is cowardly (in a playground bullying way) and then when anyone questions the motives for such attacks there is a team assault on that person, be it me on anyone else.
The club has changed, Briatore has gone, GP has been moved sideways, we have a "proper" manager and system in place (with available funds) and yet this stuff won't stop. And I get blamed for continuing it because I respond (respond, note, not begin) to such threads! That is what makes the anti-GP stuff seem more personal than about QPR and also obsessive (from, as Stan has pointed out, a very small group of people). |
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dave B
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i do find it hard to believe that he went out and said get me Hart, Magilton and Dowie. Now when he got Sousa in and De Canio they were certainly a flavio appointment who he expected to work under his style with a director of football. None of those 3 British managers were ever going to work under the system we had and I struggle to believe Flavio had even heard of them they were recommended to him. Your keen on everyone speaking to Paladini, you'd only have to ask him yourself to find out he pushed for Dowie to get the job first time around and wanted him again if Warnock had turned us down.
You say we should just keep going till the right man comes along but why? Why keep the same person who has made mistakes time and time again. If Paladini was the manager he'd have been sacked for his signings as Warnock will be if he has the same eye for a player so I'm baffled as to why you are happy to just say carry on and hope for the best. |
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DAVEf
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dave B wrote: | i do find it hard to believe that he went out and said get me Hart, Magilton and Dowie. Now when he got Sousa in and De Canio they were certainly a flavio appointment who he expected to work under his style with a director of football. None of those 3 British managers were ever going to work under the system we had and I struggle to believe Flavio had even heard of them they were recommended to him. Your keen on everyone speaking to Paladini, you'd only have to ask him yourself to find out he pushed for Dowie to get the job first time around and wanted him again if Warnock had turned us down.
You say we should just keep going till the right man comes along but why? Why keep the same person who has made mistakes time and time again. If Paladini was the manager he'd have been sacked for his signings as Warnock will be if he has the same eye for a player so I'm baffled as to why you are happy to just say carry on and hope for the best. |
I doubt he named names but given Briatore's reputation for interference and perhaps not the highest wages on offer, choices would have been limited? De Canio was simply not available and Sousa (while having much in his favour) as with Dowie, committed the sin of not providing entertaining football.
When I said "keep going" I mean that, as in Life, sometimes you can only play the cards dealt and hope that the next lot will be better. The more hands you have at the table, the better the chances of getting a good hand.
But Paladini has now been removed from any executive role within the club (and even if he tried interfering, I'm sure NW would jump on him PDQ) and for all the suggested ineptness as a SD maybe he is naturally right for the "meet and greet" PR role that he now has.
So we can surely move on, away from yet another not-great spell and look forward with hope, a new manager, no SD, new system, scouts etc etc etc.
Shouldn't we? Couldn't we?? Most will but others won't unless they can actually show themselves NOT to be obsessive (and especially obsessive towards Paladini) and accept that he (and whatever he is perceived to have done or not done) is really quite unimportant in the overall picture (and the picture for the future).
I can't stop people attacking GP on here, only sometimes respond to them (at least when the attacks are based on false reasoning/motives). They, however can stop me responding by not giving me any silliness to respond to though I heavily suspect they won't let it drop because that is the very nature of obsession. |
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willo
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| DAVEf wrote: | | dave B wrote: | i do find it hard to believe that he went out and said get me Hart, Magilton and Dowie. Now when he got Sousa in and De Canio they were certainly a flavio appointment who he expected to work under his style with a director of football. None of those 3 British managers were ever going to work under the system we had and I struggle to believe Flavio had even heard of them they were recommended to him. Your keen on everyone speaking to Paladini, you'd only have to ask him yourself to find out he pushed for Dowie to get the job first time around and wanted him again if Warnock had turned us down.
You say we should just keep going till the right man comes along but why? Why keep the same person who has made mistakes time and time again. If Paladini was the manager he'd have been sacked for his signings as Warnock will be if he has the same eye for a player so I'm baffled as to why you are happy to just say carry on and hope for the best. |
I doubt he named names but given Briatore's reputation for interference and perhaps not the highest wages on offer, choices would have been limited? De Canio was simply not available and Sousa (while having much in his favour) as with Dowie, committed the sin of not providing entertaining football.
When I said "keep going" I mean that, as in Life, sometimes you can only play the cards dealt and hope that the next lot will be better. The more hands you have at the table, the better the chances of getting a good hand.
But Paladini has now been removed from any executive role within the club (and even if he tried interfering, I'm sure NW would jump on him PDQ) and for all the suggested ineptness as a SD maybe he is naturally right for the "meet and greet" PR role that he now has.
So we can surely move on, away from yet another not-great spell and look forward with hope, a new manager, no SD, new system, scouts etc etc etc.
Shouldn't we? Couldn't we?? Most will but others won't unless they can actually show themselves NOT to be obsessive (and especially obsessive towards Paladini) and accept that he (and whatever he is perceived to have done or not done) is really quite unimportant in the overall picture (and the picture for the future).
I can't stop people attacking GP on here, only sometimes respond to them (at least when the attacks are based on false reasoning/motives). They, however can stop me responding by not giving me any silliness to respond to though I heavily suspect they won't let it drop because that is the very nature of obsession. |
Perhaps you could provide us a list of approved topics. Or you could set up your own board on which you could moderate out anything that you do not agree with.
A man who has posted more than 12,000 posts on a board populated by people with the temerity to have differing opinions calling others obsessive. I ask you. |
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Mr Beef
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| Given your constant posts about evidence Dave you seem to have neatly sidestepped the question loonee has asked you to back up your own assertions. And if you don't like what others post about Paladini how about you get a bit of perspective and ignore it rather than insult anyone you don't agree with. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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This whole thread is always a circular reference to all the other previous threads. We all keep saying the same things over and over again.
The problem I have is when the next thread starts up, I read it and actions are defended which should not be. (as has happened again in this one). I feel duty bound to chip in.
I want to move on but it is hard as GP is still there. And so are the players signed under his reign.
What is his new role? Is it really a meeter and greeter? I am not convinced.
More likely, he is Flavio's eyes and ears. (supposition of course)
Anyway, Until the next time...... |
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willo and beefy loved up and holding hands again. Add in the odd extra anonymous (made up?) character and it's hardly even a clique.
Though I did say they wouldn't be able to let it go. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| DAVEf wrote: | willo and beefy loved up and holding hands again. Add in the odd extra anonymous (made up?) character and it's hardly even a clique.
Though I did say they wouldn't be able to let it go. |
Pantomime villain? Chris Biggins? |
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willo
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| DAVEf wrote: | willo and beefy loved up and holding hands again. Add in the odd extra anonymous (made up?) character and it's hardly even a clique.
Though I did say they wouldn't be able to let it go. |
No answers to direct questions. No argument. So the usual insults and insinuations.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Flippin eck this thread won't die, I'd be interested to know how much of it hasn't been mentioned on at least 10 other threads. |
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DAVEf
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| willo wrote: | | DAVEf wrote: | willo and beefy loved up and holding hands again. Add in the odd extra anonymous (made up?) character and it's hardly even a clique.
Though I did say they wouldn't be able to let it go. |
No answers to direct questions. No argument. So the usual insults and insinuations.
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What questions have I not answered diddums?
Put them (or get beefy to do it) and we'll get them out of the way. |
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DAVEf
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| redinjun wrote: | | Flippin eck this thread won't die, I'd be interested to know how much of it hasn't been mentioned on at least 10 other threads. |
Did you see the one where I mentioned the fact that I only ever respond and never instigate? A valid point d'you think? |
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