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W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

good spot DM I have already got that Theroux programme in the diary

will be a very interesting watch I am sure.

Lee Gib · Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

Calmer than me?

You do not portray that on here Lee.

It is you that swore in your last post and you that has attacked me before and used unnecessary and offensive language.

Lee you do not seem to get this , Mubarak is hated by his people, if it was not the majority of people being against him and his regime then these protests would have faded out and died by now.

As much as it pains the media in the west to admit it the reality is Ahmadinejad is incredibly popular in Iran receiving over 60% of the votes in the 2009 election.

Support the Taliban!?

I do not support the Taliban and to suggest as much is ludicrous.
I understand why the Taliban do what they do and if I were in the same situation I would most likely be doing the same thing defending my country and my people.
They are after all resisting a foreign occupying force as best as they can with what little they have and the west will NEVER win because it is their home not ours.

One of the reasons I like Ahmadinejad is because he stands up to the bullies and gives it to them straight.
I agree with his stance on Zionism and the situation is Palestine , he will be remembered with time as someone who was on the right side of history.
As one of the few world leaders who openly criticises Israel and the United States he is opening himself up to attack on a massive scale and attack the mainstream corporate press does.

Comparing him to Hitler is a classic! Just like the same brain dead Hitler remark made about me by Don.

Netenyahu is in my opinion considerably closer to a Hitler like figure than Ahmadinejad ever will be.But as he is not one of those crazy Muslim fanatics its not de rigueur to criticise him.

Mr Murdoch loves the Dons and Lees of this world he really does , ever so easy to control.

The programme by Louis Theroux was very interesting ,to see some of the realities on the ground.
Some of the brainwashed mindsets were beyond pale , all the usual 'chosen ones' talk I find incredibly short sighted and dangerous.
Its out and out racism , the Israelis showed on that short documentary exactly what they think of the Palestinians , they think they are worthless and are treated accordingly with the full support of the state and army of Israel.

Things cant carry on as they are , the clock is ticking.

Don · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:22 am Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

Don don't lower yourself to Lee's level, you are better than that.

Comparing me to Hitler wasn't necessarily rude it was just pretty stupid.

The sort of reaction I would expect from a follower of the Murdoch press.

My opinions are 'silly' because you don't agree with them? Not the greatest logic I have seen.

There are many people that believe the things I believe , it requires a different way of thinking.

An open mind that questions everything about the way we are conditioned into thinking in a certain way about certain topics.

"The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life."

Don · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject:

I was comparing your thought processes to Hitler. I wasn't actually suggesting that you were a monotesticular tyrant.

And how do you come to the conclusion that I'm a follower of the Murdoch press? I seldom buy a national newspaper but when I do it does tend to be the Sun or the Times but, believe it or not, I don't take everything they say as gospel.

You say you've got an open mind at that Stand, Lee and me (henceforth to be referred to as LSD) have not. I can't say I agree with that. We all have 'closed' minds on certain subjects and are open on others. For example, I still raise a glass to Wiltshire Police for what they did at the Battle of the Beanfield, you will always take the anti-Isreali standpoint. On other points I'm sure we're both ready to listen to different points of view. And there will be others where we simply couldn't give a monkeys.

"The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." Who came up with that load of old bollocks? Although having said that, at 20 I was a rabid Guardian reader - in fact. Now I'd be unwilling to use it to wipe my arse. I can't say how I'll view the world at 50 because it's still a year off.

I used to rail against injustice in a way that you might find spookily familiar; I admit I've become more authoritarian and reactionary with age. To use the phrase that is often misattributed to Churchill, "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head." (note the small 'l' & 'c'). We all change. You might have noticed that you get hostile replies from me in the morning and more reasoned ones as the day goes on. I bet that one day you too will wake up a Nazi and go to bed a libertarian free-thinker.

Finally, back to my original question, what do you do about the situation? Words are fine but a man is judged by his deeds.
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Lee Gib · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

Come on Stan I thought you were going to post the letter from your friend in Egypt to give us all a clear picture on what is happening out there?

The regime is trying to bide time and make small concessions that are clearly not acceptable to the people.

Suleiman as mentioned before is part of the old guard , so giving him the power is not changing the status quo at all.

Suleiman will be the choice of the US and Israel but I think the Egyptian people are clever and it would appear they are not accepting these alleged changes.

I wonder how long it will be before Mubarak is strolling the streets of Knightsbridge?

Stan · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject:

you're right, I did.

I thought I'd ask him if he minded first though & as of yet I haven't heard back from him, so assuming he doesn't mind, I'll post it when he replies to my request, which hopefully will be soon.
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W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

looks like we will be waiting almost as long as the Egyptian people for that 'letter' !

So on the 17th day it would appear Mubarak is poised to stand down and pass power the the VP Suleiman.

Great news for the Egyptian people , whether Suleiman will bring about any real change only time will tell but it has to be seen as good news to end this stand off.

We will probably see old Hosni having coffee with Tony in a knightsbridge coffee shop soon!

London always has room for another wealthy crook.

Stan · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject:

W13hoop · Level 3 dot.orger Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 1319

that's a bit harsh Stan , you are lots of things but a twerp?!

Laughing

Stan · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject:

well that went well. He aint going nowhere.

As I said earlier on in the thread, occupying a square in Cairo is not going to get rid of him.

A change of strategy is required me thinks.
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Virginia_R · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject:

Rather Ceaucescu-esque, that speech.

Similar endgame for Mubarak, if he doesn't get out of Cairo in time.
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Don · Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 am Post subject:

We should get together with France and Israel and sort this out.
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