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W13hoop
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Its the potential mission creep that I suspect we will see.
No fly zone to increased Aerial and submarine bombardment to full ground invasion.
This 'International coalition' is utter propaganda.
It is UK US and French forces in action . 3 countries is hardly an International coalition.
This open us up here in the UK to all sorts of response attack from Gaddafi.
Who knows what his capabilities are, I'm sure he has a few tricks up his sleeve.
If you think of who he may strike its hardly going to be US soil because of the distance , this leaves us and the French as prime targets which is something that doesn't sit well with me.
I thought that before committing forces both Cameron and Obama would need parliamentary and congressional support ? - It would appear not. |
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| W13hoop wrote: | Its the potential mission creep that I suspect we will see.
No fly zone to increased Aerial and submarine bombardment to full ground invasion.
This 'International coalition' is utter propaganda.
It is UK US and French forces in action . 3 countries is hardly an International coalition.
This open us up here in the UK to all sorts of response attack from Gaddafi.
Who knows what his capabilities are, I'm sure he has a few tricks up his sleeve.
If you think of who he may strike its hardly going to be US soil because of the distance , this leaves us and the French as prime targets which is something that doesn't sit well with me.
I thought that before committing forces both Cameron and Obama would need parliamentary and congressional support ? - It would appear not. |
They should have put aside their UN mandate, waited for the votes in parliament and congress and given Gaddafi enough time to massacre most of the rebels in Benghazi.  |
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Esox Lucius
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| W13hoop wrote: | Its the potential mission creep that I suspect we will see.No fly zone to increased Aerial and submarine bombardment to full ground invasion.
This 'International coalition' is utter propaganda.
It is UK US and French forces in action . 3 countries is hardly an International coalition.
This open us up here in the UK to all sorts of response attack from Gaddafi.
Who knows what his capabilities are, I'm sure he has a few tricks up his sleeve.
If you think of who he may strike its hardly going to be US soil because of the distance , this leaves us and the French as prime targets which is something that doesn't sit well with me.
I thought that before committing forces both Cameron and Obama would need parliamentary and congressional support ? - It would appear not. |
Anything after this statement is superfluous and hyperbole. Yes?
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W13hoop
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah he was about to drop an atomic bomb on Benghazi and slaughter the whole population , rather like Sadaam had WMD and could launch an attack on us within 30 mins.
We cant go around attacking countries on the basis of limited killings and verbal threats by a deranged leader.
I do not know how anyone can trust a word that comes out of any Politicians mouth.
Just because we got UN backing which gives us the legal green light doesn't mean forces should be deployed without any debate in Parliament.
The US unlike us have a constitution and Obama has just violated it with this action. It is solely the congress that can authorise war unless in an emergency situation where the US has been attacked. |
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Stan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Obama has not violated the constitution. He only needs to get Congress's permission to declare war, & he has not declared war.
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Esox Lucius
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| W13hoop wrote: | Yeah he was about to drop an atomic bomb on Benghazi and slaughter the whole population , rather like Sadaam had WMD and could launch an attack on us within 30 mins.
We cant go around attacking countries on the basis of limited killings and verbal threats by a deranged leader.
I do not know how anyone can trust a word that comes out of any Politicians mouth.
Just because we got UN backing which gives us the legal green light doesn't mean forces should be deployed without any debate in Parliament.
The US unlike us have a constitution and Obama has just violated it with this action. It is solely the congress that can authorise war unless in an emergency situation where the US has been attacked. |
Definition of what exceeds this please?
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W13hoop
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Limited in comparison to over 1,000,000 in Iraq and 800,000 in Rwanda. |
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Stan
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"Limited" killing is acceptable to you then?
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willo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| W13hoop wrote: | Yeah he was about to drop an atomic bomb on Benghazi and slaughter the whole population , rather like Sadaam had WMD and could launch an attack on us within 30 mins.
We cant go around attacking countries on the basis of limited killings and verbal threats by a deranged leader.
I do not know how anyone can trust a word that comes out of any Politicians mouth.
Just because we got UN backing which gives us the legal green light doesn't mean forces should be deployed without any debate in Parliament.
The US unlike us have a constitution and Obama has just violated it with this action. It is solely the congress that can authorise war unless in an emergency situation where the US has been attacked. |
He is killing people as we speak. In your haste to slag off everything Western governments do and your desire to see conspiracies in everything, you have ignored this. |
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willo
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| W13hoop wrote: | | Limited in comparison to over 1,000,000 in Iraq and 800,000 in Rwanda. |
Which would make the war in Iraq entirely justified then. |
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Micky
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| willo wrote: | | W13hoop wrote: | | Limited in comparison to over 1,000,000 in Iraq and 800,000 in Rwanda. |
Which would make the war in Iraq entirely justified then. |
Agreed. |
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W13hoop
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No Stan it is not acceptable to me , but I have issues with us committing our forces for what we are bing told are humanitarian reasons when it is quite clear it is for our own British interests which is codeword for securing natural resources.
Willo you are correct , by all accounts Gaddafi has stepped up his attacks on his own people since our aggression, did we think anything other increased attacks would be his response?
And the 1m figure for Iraq is post our invasion , so we the US and UK were responsible for the large majority of the death and destruction in Iraq not Saddam. |
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willo
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| W13hoop wrote: | No Stan it is not acceptable to me , but I have issues with us committing our forces for what we are bing told are humanitarian reasons when it is quite clear it is for our own British interests which is codeword for securing natural resources.
Willo you are correct , by all accounts Gaddafi has stepped up his attacks on his own people since our aggression, did we think anything other increased attacks would be his response?
And the 1m figure for Iraq is post our invasion , so we the US and UK were responsible for the large majority of the death and destruction in Iraq not Saddam. |
Gaddafi has been killing opponents for a long time, not just since we launched an attack on his forces. Saddam was gassing and brutalising Iraqis way before we invaded. Regime change might be illegal bit there are times when it is the right choice. |
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Stan
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I actually agree with you on this W13, but for different reasons. I think the Arab League should be sorting out this mess.
As for the UKs national interest, not one drop Libyan oil comes to the UK.
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W13hoop
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'Regime change might be illegal bit there are times when it is the right choice'
Okay so you are happy for us to spout all this respect the rule of law BS but then break it when it suits us?
Do you not see how hypocritical that attitude it ?
I wonder how supportive people will be if there is any blowback for our latest military attack, it all seems so far away for many people that they dont care about these wars.
If there was a revenge suicide bomber in London this week killing dozens how would everyone supporting this mission feel then?
We have effectively declared war on Libya by these attacks and are now fair game for any Libyan response and I for one am not happy with that. |
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