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I write the odd article (Admittedly, not for the Telegraph) and lines like this:
| Quote: | | Other figures relating to tackle success rate, crossing accuracy and shooting were also not great, it is thought. |
are just thrown in to back up the author's point. There's no proof there, he's just fluffing up his argument with suggestion. He has one statistic which is that Barton's passing success rate was 50% in the Wigan match, and he's turned it into 'Barton cannot compete under Mark Hughes.'
This is a non-event.
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| Dunc wrote: | I write the odd article (Admittedly, not for the Telegraph) and lines like this:
| Quote: | | Other figures relating to tackle success rate, crossing accuracy and shooting were also not great, it is thought. |
are just thrown in to back up the author's point. There's no proof there, he's just fluffing up his argument with suggestion. He has one statistic which is that Barton's passing success rate was 50% in the Wigan match, and he's turned it into 'Barton cannot compete under Mark Hughes.'
This is a non-event. |
Fair point although it doesn't need an article in the papers to highlight the frequency with which Barton gives the ball away. More encouraging in the second half at Blackburn though, hopefully a sign of things to come. |
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| Mr Beef wrote: | | Dunc wrote: | I write the odd article (Admittedly, not for the Telegraph) and lines like this:
| Quote: | | Other figures relating to tackle success rate, crossing accuracy and shooting were also not great, it is thought. |
are just thrown in to back up the author's point. There's no proof there, he's just fluffing up his argument with suggestion. He has one statistic which is that Barton's passing success rate was 50% in the Wigan match, and he's turned it into 'Barton cannot compete under Mark Hughes.'
This is a non-event. |
Fair point although it doesn't need an article in the papers to highlight the frequency with which Barton gives the ball away. More encouraging in the second half at Blackburn though, hopefully a sign of things to come. |
A key phrase! The fact that he can do it but hasn't is irksome but but more of what we saw in the second half at Blackburn should keep us clear of the trapdoor. Cissé returning in good form is also critical IMO.
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Hmm.... I took a look earlier in the season with guardian chalkboards and noticed the same thing... main extract below. I feel barton huffs and puffs, puts himself around a lot, but just isn't effective!
http://www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=57953
Completed passes
Faurlin is the leader; 59(of73) last night, 51(of 71) vs Utd, 30(of 35) vs Pool. Faurlin's completion rate is quite high, around 80% on average.
Barton's completion rate is notably poorer; 41 of 65 last night; 43 of 69 vs Utd and 40 of 60 vs 'Pool. You're looking at around 65%. In one game this season he did actually manage under 50%!
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Esox Lucius
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I feel a lot of that is to do with the 'Hollywood' passes he attempts and fails to complete. If you were to make note of his passes less than, say 5 metres, then I would guess it is much higher. I think his ego is telling him he is as good as Faurlin, Taarabt etc. for skills and the harsh reality is he isn't. He covers a lot of ground but isn't the footballer or dead ball specialist he thinks he is. Maybe after this week Lonk will have a purpose for him and he will step up and fulfill that role. He is too good to not be in the starting lineup but, barely, based on his efforts thus far.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: Mr J Barton esq ... |
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| Esox Lucius wrote: | | I feel a lot of that is to do with the 'Hollywood' passes he attempts and fails to complete. If you were to make note of his passes less than, say 5 metres, then I would guess it is much higher. I think his ego is telling him he is as good as Faurlin, Taarabt etc. for skills and the harsh reality is he isn't. He covers a lot of ground but isn't the footballer or dead ball specialist he thinks he is. Maybe after this week Lonk will have a purpose for him and he will step up and fulfill that role. He is too good to not be in the starting lineup but, barely, based on his efforts thus far. |
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Barton believes the hype, and thinks he is better than he is. If he concentrated on doing what he can and does do well, he would become a lot more effective as a footballer. Leave the show boating to those with the skill to pull it off (even if they are not doing that at the moment.)
I also think that a rock solid Joey Barton in midfield would give the platform for others to perform to their full potential. It is not in my opinion, a coincidence that last season Adel shone, as Sean Derry & Ali Faurlin provided a solid midfield base in the middle of the pitch.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Mr J Barton esq ... |
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| ZENITH R wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | I feel a lot of that is to do with the 'Hollywood' passes he attempts and fails to complete. If you were to make note of his passes less than, say 5 metres, then I would guess it is much higher. I think his ego is telling him he is as good as Faurlin, Taarabt etc. for skills and the harsh reality is he isn't. He covers a lot of ground but isn't the footballer or dead ball specialist he thinks he is. Maybe after this week Lonk will have a purpose for him and he will step up and fulfill that role. He is too good to not be in the starting lineup but, barely, based on his efforts thus far. |
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Barton believes the hype, and thinks he is better than he is. If he concentrated on doing what he can and does do well, he would become a lot more effective as a footballer. Leave the show boating to those with the skill to pull it off (even if they are not doing that at the moment.)
I also think that a rock solid Joey Barton in midfield would give the platform for others to perform to their full potential. It is not in my opinion, a coincidence that last season Adel shone, as Sean Derry & Ali Faurlin provided a solid midfield base in the middle of the pitch. |
Yeah you're both spot on here.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Mr J Barton esq ... |
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| ZENITH R wrote: | | Esox Lucius wrote: | | I feel a lot of that is to do with the 'Hollywood' passes he attempts and fails to complete. If you were to make note of his passes less than, say 5 metres, then I would guess it is much higher. I think his ego is telling him he is as good as Faurlin, Taarabt etc. for skills and the harsh reality is he isn't. He covers a lot of ground but isn't the footballer or dead ball specialist he thinks he is. Maybe after this week Lonk will have a purpose for him and he will step up and fulfill that role. He is too good to not be in the starting lineup but, barely, based on his efforts thus far. |
I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Barton believes the hype, and thinks he is better than he is. If he concentrated on doing what he can and does do well, he would become a lot more effective as a footballer. Leave the show boating to those with the skill to pull it off (even if they are not doing that at the moment.)
I also think that a rock solid Joey Barton in midfield would give the platform for others to perform to their full potential. It is not in my opinion, a coincidence that last season Adel shone, as Sean Derry & Ali Faurlin provided a solid midfield base in the middle of the pitch. |
It should be very interesting if we survive this season as next season we will start off with a midfield squad including Barton, SWP, Diakité, Faurlin, Taarabt, Derry (who possibly may not have much first team time left at Rangers) and the occasdioanl inclusion of Traoré who, in my estimation, showed real promise in the creative central midfield position last week.
With a strike force of Cissé, Zamora, HH, Mackie, Betty and DJ Lonk should have a more than capable team to propel us forward.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Mr J Barton esq ... |
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| ZENITH R wrote: | I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Barton believes his hype, and thinks he is better than he is. If he concentrated on doing what he can and does do well, he would become a lot more effective as a footballer. Leave the show boating to those with the skill to pull it off (even if they are not doing that at the moment.)
I also think that a rock solid Joey Barton in midfield would give the platform for others to perform to their full potential. It is not in my opinion, a coincidence that last season Adel shone, as Sean Derry & Ali Faurlin provided a solid midfield base in the middle of the pitch. |
Bang on fella. However, I have taken the liberty of making a little amendment.
Interestingly, not seen any reference on here to tweets from Cap'n Twitter in the Portuguese bunker. Just wondering if MH has had a word in his shell like shall we say.
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Nah, the old 3G is expensive abroad, innit. Poor Joseph cant afford a steep phone bill this month. All them nappies to buy.
I imagine its more than just a coincidence that on week he's under the watchful eye of Mr Hughes his feed goes very quiet. I expect Sparky's had a chat with him. That's all. Let Joey make the decision. I'd be surprised if he's instructed / demanded him not to tweet. I can imagine Joseph's not good with authority like that.
For all my protestations that Joseph's tweet frequency is in inverse proportion to his ability to play football, I'd love to be proved wrong next week when he puts in a stormer.
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I think is true of many of us.
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| Dunc wrote: | I write the odd article (Admittedly, not for the Telegraph) and lines like this:
| Quote: | | Other figures relating to tackle success rate, crossing accuracy and shooting were also not great, it is thought. |
are just thrown in to back up the author's point. There's no proof there, he's just fluffing up his argument with suggestion. He has one statistic which is that Barton's passing success rate was 50% in the Wigan match, and he's turned it into 'Barton cannot compete under Mark Hughes.'
This is a non-event. |
agree (re. journo huff'n'puff) |
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| Are the stats in bongo king's post (see above) also huff n puff? |
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| I really am amazed some still think Barton's all he cracks himself up to be. Leaving the stats aside, his hugely disappointing performances speak for themselves? Or have I been watching a different team this season? |
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